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Dr. Al-Bayati - Keller Interview 03










The Real Cause of AIDS - 03

Dr. Mohammed Al-Bayati interviewed by Steven D. Keller June, 2001 -

Part 3 of 3 ( Part 1 - Part 2 )

Steven: You really strip away the intricate layers of Anthony Fauci's report, "Clinical Categories of HIV infection" and "Harrison's Principle of Internal Medicine" to reveal some pretty astonishing facts that were either covered up, left out or pushed aside. Of all the information you uncovered, what would be the most important for our readers to know about when it comes to A. Fauci et al. work?

Dr. Al-Bayati: As I stated earlier in Q1, prior to October of 1997, I believed that HIV was the cause of AIDS, as has been reported by the CDC and the AIDS establishment. When I found that the treatment of a patient with prednisone (60 mg per day for 10 week) and Azathioprine for lung fibrosis could cause AIDS and that the damage to the immune system is reversible upon termination of this treatment, I became very interested in the issue of AIDS.

I pursued my plan to evaluate the medical literature to find out if there were other cases who developed AIDS as result of treatment with immunosuppressant medications, and to evaluated the link between HIV and AIDS.

My research of the various literature lead me to the vast numbers of publications by Anthony Fauci that dealt with the effects of glucocorticoids on the functions of the immune system. Dr. Fauci has been studying the effects of glucocorticoids and other immunosuppressant medications on the function of B cells and T cells since the 1970s.

I was very surprised to find that Fauci described the symptoms of AIDS in 1976 in people using high doses of corticosteroids over a period of a few months, as stated below, and that there are more than 40 medical conditions in risk groups such as pulmonary fibrosis, thrombocytopenia, peripherial neuropathy, etc that have been treated with high doses of glucocorticoids and other immunosuppressant medications for long time. A. Fauci has not considered these factors at all when stating that HIV is the cause of AIDS.

For example, Fauci et al., 1976 stated that, "we have reviewed many aspects of the host defenses that are altered by corticosteroids, and the combined effects of these changes must be considered in trying to understand the relation between corticosteroids and infections.

Since the defect with corticosteroids is broad, it is not surprising that many types of infections seem to occur more often in patients treated with corticosteroids. Of the bacterial infections, staphylocococcal and Gram-negative infections, as well as tuberculosis and listeriosis infections, probably occur most often.

Certain types of viral, fungal, and parasitic infections also occur often. Patients with lupus erythematosus, rheumatoid arthritis, and renal transplants have more infection with steroid administration. Study of bronchial aerosols showed that with higher doses of steroid in the aerosol, Candida infections of the larynx and pharynx occurred more often" [Annals of Internal Medicine 84: 304-15, 1976.].

Furthermore, I reviewed Fauci's book entitled "Principles of Internal Medicine" published by McGraw-Hill in 1998, 14th edition. This book contains detailed descriptions of the impact of illicit drugs, glucocorticoids, and malnutrition on health and the functions of the immune system, but yet Fauci has not considered any of the information presented in his book when dealing with the AIDS issue.

For example, the opportunistic diseases described on page 1,792 in Fauci's book under the name of Clinical Categories of HIV infection, are the same opportunistic diseases that are described in the same book in organ transplant patients treated with high doses of immunosuppressive medications. It is very difficult for me to imagine that A. Fauci, the Director of the AIDS program at the NIH, spent billions of dollars to find a cure for AIDS, yet the true answers are presented in his publications.

Fauci and his colleagues conducted a study in 1995 and found that the lymph nodes of some patients infected with HIV had hyperplasia (It has more cells then normal). This observation contradicts the HIV-hypothesis that HIV kills infected cells [J. Immunol 154 (10): 5555-66, 1995].

Also in this study, some lymph nodes showed atrophy and necrosis in T cells and B cells. These changes were independent of the viral load or the duration of the infection. Hence, they did not question the HIV-hypothesis but, rather, they modified the hypothesis to fit their new findings.

Briefly, they examined 29 HIV positive lymph nodes and found twelve of these lymph nodes with follicular hyperplasia and extensive germinal centers, five with follicular hyperplasia mixed with follicular involution, twelve lymph nodes with a mixture of follicular involution and lymphocyte depletion, and five lymph nodes with lymphocyte depletion.

They stated that, "apoptosis was not restricted only to CD4+ T cells; both B cells and CD8+ T cells were found to undergo apoptosis. They stated that the increased intensity of the apoptotic phenomenon in HIV infection is caused by the general state of immune activation, and is independent of the progression of HIV disease and the levels of viral load".

In 1992, scientists and physicians reported to the CDC cases with AIDS and/or low CD4+ T cells, yet these cases were HIV-negative. However, Fauci and the CDC did not investigate these cases. Instead they explained the problem by giving a new name for this disease: "Idiopathic CD4+ T cells lymphocytopenia (ICL)".

Fauci stated in his book, cited above on page 1845, that the immunologic abnormalities in ICL are somewhat different from those of HIV infection. ICL patients often have decreases in CD8+ T cells and in B cells. However, on page 1,809-11 of the same book, Fauci stated that during the late stage of HIV infection, there is a significant reduction in the numbers of CD8+ T cells and the absolute number of circulating B cells may be depressed in primary infection.

In addition, Fauci's approach for solving the AIDS crisis is by defining conditions as they show up. The classic definition is the "long-term nonprogressors" term applied to people previously infected with HIV approximately 10 years or more, who have not yet showed any health problems.

The number of these people as of January 1, 1997 was about 28,690. It only took one clinical case for me to see that the HIV-hypothesis has serious flaws and is incorrect. Yet A. Fauci, with billions dollars to spend, ignores thousands of cases (HIV-positive and HIV-negative) that obviously demonstrated the inconsistencies of the HIV hypothesis.

In 1981, the symptoms of patients diagnosed with AIDS are purely symptoms of chronic glucocorticoids use. Now the symptoms of patients with AIDS include bone marrow damage and damages of many organs (liver, kidneys, etc) as a result of the use of a wide range of powerful antiviral drugs and more steroids.

In addition, Fauci and the CDC made the picture of AIDS even more complicated by adding cervical dysplasia and cervical cancer in 1993 to the cumulative list of AIDS-defining illnesses. These illnesses are also occurring in women with normal immune system functions, which has nothing to do with the hypothesis that HIV kills T cells. By taking this arbitrary step, AIDS has become a disease affecting the whole community; not only homosexuals and drug using men. This action has increased the fear in the community and also has increased the funding to the NIH as well as the sale of antiviral drugs.

The medical evidence presented in my book, along with the information presented in the Fauci's publications, indicate that A. Fauci, the Director of the AIDS program, and the CDC overlooked essential medical evidence, which indicates that HIV is not the cause of AIDS, antiviral medications do not work, and that drugs and malnutrition play important parts in the pathogenesis of AIDS.

Furthermore, they have been changing their hypothesis and the stated incubation period for HIV, to make them fit new findings. AIDS in 1989 was much more complicated than the AIDS in 1984, prior to the approval of AZT. AIDS in 2001 has become more complicated than the AIDS in 1989, prior to the approval of steroid and protease inhibitors in the treatment of AIDS.

As I stated earlier, treating an AIDS patient with corticosteroids and AZT is just like putting gasoline on a fire.

AZT kills the stem cells in bone marrow that produce T cells and the glucocorticoids inhibit the functions of T cells; therefore, reducing their numbers in both thymus and blood circulation.

Today, we have about 2,000 active ingredients in our prescription and nonprescription drugs and thousands of chemicals in use in our workplace. Yet, toxicology is excluded from our health care industry. Physicians need to consult with toxicologists who have the expertise and the resources to evaluate toxic effects of chemicals used in workplace and side effects of medications.

This approach can save lives and resources. This problem needs to be addressed urgently by our health care industry, among scientists, and in our government. We need to devote resources to solve current problems and not to create more problems.

The war on AIDS is a classic example of mismanagement of great resources.

Imagine if a toxicologist and a pathologist, with expertise in differential diagnosis, had been consulted about the few cases of AIDS that appeared in 1981Šmany lives and billion of dollars would have been saved! We must learn from this tragic and expensive lesson because we cannot afford to continue ignoring or repeating it.

Steven: How can people, who are interested in your book or have further questions, contact you?

Dr. Al-Bayati: They can check my website ( My phone number is (707) 678-4484. Fax number is (707) 678-8505. My email: My company address: Toxi-health International, 150 Bloom Dr., Dixon, CA 95620

Steven: Dr. Al-Bayati, I would like to thank you for your time and commitment to this article and more important to this issue of what AIDS is and is not. It has been truly wonderful working with you and I wish you all the success.

Dr. Al-Bayati: Thank you very much for asking me to do this very important interview. I hope that other reporters will take the same courageous action that you have taken to find the truth about what causes AIDS and by providing this vital information to the public. Your action certainly will save lives and vital resources. God bless you! June 2001

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Dr. Mercola's Comment:

“For many this will be new information, although Dr. Duesberg and Dr. Horowitz have been taking similar positions for many years.

Dr. Al-Bayati provides a solid piece of scientific support for the position that HIV does NOT cause AIDS. Exposure to steroids and the chemicals in our environment, the drugs used to treat AIDS, stress and poor nutrition are the real causes.”


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